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Help with RF Remote
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May 23, 2011 | by EH Staff

Mark wrote to Ask-a-Pro:

I’ve wired, installed and configured everything in my house myself. I have a Harmony 890 RF remote that I use to control…well…just about everything in my house. I have my main system rack in the basement utility room. It feeds a family room home theater on the 1st floor, video distribution to 2 other TV’s in other rooms of the house and distributed audio in some of the rooms of the house. I’ve already tried working with Harmony tech support for half a day on this but still have not resolved the issue.

The issue is that often, the remote seems to send a command more than once. This is most notable on navigating screens on two pieces of equipment in particular. For instance:I have a Sony 400 disk Blu-Ray DVD player. I’ll try scrolling through the list of DVDs on screen. If I hit the up or down arrow, instead of moving up or down just once, it will skip 2-4 DVDs. The same is true on my media server. While browsing my music, the same thing can happen. Strangely enough, I have found specific places and positions in the house where it works flawlessly.

I was wondering if you might have any other thoughts about the technology itself that my give me a hint as to why this may happen. Are there other control systems that can guarantee flawless operation?

Thanks in advance,
Mark


Joe Salvatore of URC, offers this advice:

Joe Salvatore, tech support manager at URC (i.e., not Logitech) here. The symptoms you’re describing sound as if there may be Radio Frequency interference (RFI) present. This interference can be due to any number of things, from local broadcast transmissions to AC wiring in your home. No control manufacturer that uses RF communication technology can dodge this problem if the interference is around the same frequency at which their technology operates. 

Some things to consider when trying to identify, prevent or cure potential sources of RFI are the home environment, the geographic area you live in, and even your own AV gear itself. Any single one of these, or any combination of them, can be responsible for RFI. 

Here are a couple of quick suggestions to try that may help determine what the source of interference may be. Try to move the Harmony RF receiver as far away from the main system rack as possible, while leaving the emitters intact. If things improve from there, it’s probably the AV gear that’s causing the RFI.

If you have the power supply for the Harmony RF receiver plugged directly into a wall outlet, try plugging it into a surge suppressor. This will rule out the AC power line-inducing RFI. 

On the other hand, if you notice that the remote duplicates commands only at specific times of the day, the interference could be coming from outside your home, or from other electronic devices that are active only at certain times of the day. 

In the long run, the best way to completely avoid RFI is to consider upgrading your control system to an IP-based solution (like our brand-new Total Control system). Although it will be more costly, it will 100% guarantee flawless control, with no RFI.

Hope this helps, Mark!
Joe Salvatore
URC
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Posted by mike  on  05/24/11  at  07:27 PM

is it the remote that is controlling these components, or the rf box? For my harmony rf remote, if you assign the rf box to control a component, the remote will not send out ir codes when buttons are pressed.

Anyways, the 890 uses z-wave for rf. z-wave is a mesh type network so any other z-wave device also acts as a repeater. Another rf box added to your system in between the remote and the issue, or even a z-wave lamp dimmer COULD help with your issue. That being said, I only use my harmony in one room and there are three z-wave dimmers in that same room and sometimes the commands won’t get sent to a lamp dimmer or two…...

Posted by David P.  on  05/23/11  at  05:01 PM

I had a harmony one with just a few basic components ie; blu-ray, cable box, receiver, tv and a DVD player (multi-region) my harmony remote could hardly handle my set up. There were duplicate commands being sent, a component would sometimes power off when everything else was turning on etc…..bottom line is the remote was garbage. I picked up the URC MX-980 and the MRF-350 base station both at fairly reasonable prices at about 525 for both. BB matched amazons prices. However I paid an additional 200 for professional programming of the remote and installation of the base station. I couldn’t be happier with the features, functionality and performance of these two paired up. With a system like yours I truley recommend a URC remote…..after all it’s the command center of our systems no matter how big our set ups are…..

Posted by Brian Garrett  on  05/23/11  at  01:27 PM

DW - I’d agree with you, but what other options are there in that price point range?  I’m just not willing to go out and spend $500 on a remote that is even that much more difficult to program. 

I DO agree the Logitech leaves a LOT to be desired, is mildly functional for a home remote system.  It is reasonably easy to program, although the I/O when programming it is the most bizarre I’ve ever seen.  I had to kick the Harmony 1k to the curb because it was so poorly designed and now have the 890 with the exact problem described in this article.  However, in my audio cabinet there is a PS3 which uses Bluetooth, an Airport Extreme base station, an Airport Express and a Wii - all of which have some level of RF transmissions.  So the “solution” that Joe provides isn’t exactly a solution as much as “it’s not OUR fault - it’s theirs”.

Also, I looked on Logitech’s website for the Total Control product he mentions, and other than the press release there isn’t anything I can find to buy. 

Personally I can’t wait for a decent IP-based I/O transceiver for the iPhone/iPad devices so I can just use my iPhone for everything.

Posted by DWHarper  on  05/23/11  at  11:41 AM

What the URC rep didn’t tell you, but I will is… Get rid of that POS Logitech remote.  It is horrible to program and not powerful enough to control multi room systems.



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