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$300 Video Server at Crux of RealNetworks Trial
The company's Facet prototype DVD player, which can store copied DVDs, appears to be a central issue in the copyright case against RealNetworks.
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RealNetworks’ Facet DVD player/storer. Credit: CNET
April 29, 2009 | by Arlen Schweiger

Would you buy a $300 video server? Would you copy your own DVD collection for safekeeping and convenient access on it? Would you occasionally rip that Netflix rental to it, if nobody were the wiser?

Sure; sure; and yeah probably, don’t kid yourself.

If you’ve been following the copyright case against RealNetworks over its RealDVD ripping software, you know that it’s the software that got the company in hot water with the DVD CCA (DVD Copyright Control Association), which filed a suit along with the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) and some Hollywood studios against Real—colleague Julie Jacobson has been chronicling some of the proceedings over on CE Pro.

And if you’re a tech-savvy media hound, you’ve known that even before Real introduced RealDVD last year there were already plenty of ways to copy DVDs on to your computer (your own collection, of course). Julie herself grabbed a two-year license on a product called AnyDVD based in Antigua, while others have indulged in Mac the Ripper, DVD Shrink and more.

Ah, but the RealDVD software appears to be just one part of the equation in this intriguing case. CNET reports that Real CEO Rob Glaser in court this week demonstrated the company’s DVD player prototype, called Facet. It not only plays DVDs, but, presumably using RealDVD, can copy and store them onto the machine—making it a de facto video jukebox/server.

If it sounds a bit like fancy Kaleidescape systems that can store copies of DVDs and let you search them by title, cover art, genre, director and more, than you’re onto something. And Kaleidescape itself managed to beat legal hassles when its system was challenged by the DVD CCA.

But Real’s product would be a fraction of Kaleidescape’s cost (of course, we know it would probably be a fraction of its functionality, too, but we’d have to wait and see on that), and even Glaser made the comparison in court, as CNET noted:

“Kaleidescapes are like Porsches. They’re very expensive. We thought we could develop Chevys, a $300 product that could replace a person’s DVD player.”

Likely Real’s technology could end up on everyday DVD players from major manufacturers, thereby converting such devices into storage servers for your collections. And that possibility that you’d borrow movies from friends, relatives and services like Netflix, to rip to such players, which has the suing factions up in arms.

While we love the Kaleidescape systems, we’d jump at a $300 video server. Would you? Heh, we know you’re probably already ripping your video collection onto your home theater PC anyway. We’ll continue to follow this case with keen interest.

 



Arlen Schweiger - Managing editor of Electronic House Magazine
Arlen contributes product news items to electronichouse.com along with his role on the print publication. Got a tip? Send it along!



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Posted by Kenneth Lawson  on  05/01/09  at  03:02 PM

What this issue boils down to is “Fair Use” and what is it,what are consumers allowed to do under it, and most importantly who decides both what it is and gets to police it.
The courts first broached this with VCRs back in the ‘70’s. When VCRs came out the media company’s were afraid the television industry would die,, Last I looked it wasn’t dead, in fact its doing quite well..
The music industry sang he same song when cds and computers came out, granted hey’re not doing as well as they’d like, but they’re still dong ok, and finding ways to make money in different formats.


The courts need to make a definite definition of what “fair Use ” is and what are its boundaries, taking in to account the realities of technology.  Ie DVD copying, And losing media, or media dose get ruined for whatever reason,  Thats not even counting being able to play bought and paid for media on any platform, it Apple, MS, or set-top box, or computer, or portable dvd player.

  If consumers can make a couple of everyday copies to get lost or ruined by the kids or other issues, then they will be more inclined to buy a expensive HD dvd and invest in a movie at they can preserve and make copies of as they get runined or lost.
The only one I’ve seen even trying to address this is Disney, I have seen where certain movies as a package deal buy the Blue-Ray and get a regualr dvd copy of the movie as a set. Thus allowing you have a HD copy for the home threather, and a dvd copy to play in the kids room or portable player..
This approach makes sense. With is marking tool you might even sell more HD dvds to folks who don’t have a Hd set-up but waiting to get one, then they some HD content to watch when they finely do. Meanwhile they can use the regular dvds

This approach will probably generate more sales, and possibly cut down on the dreaded ptp activity .
As for the issue of Real networks, as a President said, the barn door is open and the horses are already gone. its too late to stop copying, the technology is already in the wild, both hardware and software wise, so why net let let a company make some leginate money that have to pay taxes on, and hopfully make a better product along the way?

Posted by Paul  on  04/30/09  at  11:33 AM

@Lars:  you also pay extra for a digital copy.  If it was available as a ‘perfect’ copy I might consider paying $1 more for it, so I could use it legally in a media server. 
My main issue with digital copies is that if they are typically keyed to the machine you download them on, so if you buy a new computer, you may not be able to transfer the files from the old one, or have to pay to download it again on a new machine.

What is wrong with letting me store a perfect copy of the disc digitally? I want the convienience of no physical discs, with the safety factor of having the physical media to re-install if something goes wrong.  I also don’t think I should have to pay extra for it if I already bought the disc.

As I said earlier, make me validate a disc occasionally if it will keep the MPAA happy, so I will be discouraged from ‘ripping’ rentals. 

Side note:  Don’t these studio’s ever think that if a customer can ‘rip’ a rental, they probably have the capability to just copy the disc to begin with???

Posted by lars  on  04/30/09  at  09:33 AM

The movie industry already has come up with a solution. it’s called Digital Copy—the extra disc you get with many BD and DVD titles that lets you make a copy for your computer or iPod. works pretty well, but of course it’s not for large-screen viewing and doesn’t solve the problem of older catalog titles.

Posted by Julie Jacobson  on  04/29/09  at  05:02 PM

Opinion piece on this subject:

Would Studios Rather We Buy DVD Ripping Products Offshore?
As studios work to quash legitimate products like RealDVD, offshore providers of DVD ripping software—like AnyDVD developer SlySoft—are reaping the rewards.

Posted by Paul  on  04/29/09  at  11:57 AM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but Kaleidescape’s system occasionally asks you to insert the original DVD upon playback of the copied file as an authentication to further reduce liability to Kalidescape that they have nothing in place to prevent people from copying rented discs.

Mind you, I think you can also choose to validate the disc at a later time an unlimited number of times, you just have to put up with the annoying validation popup.

I think if Realnetworks implimented something similar and that you could only choose to skip validation say 3-5 times, the movie industry might not be happy, I doubt they would be as pissed off.


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